The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. I dont know who else to contact. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. Does the Glock fire then? I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. Same mental disability, but different symptoms. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. I sold my Glocks for this very reason , sure , I came up with other rational reasons , but when I look myself in the mirror and Im absolutely honest with myself , I got rid of my Glocks because I carry loaded chamber and I am sometimes a dumb ass . Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. I got them after watching the best experts I know of, champions, and their green light review. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. So the trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if its dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isnt a direct firing pull.Best practice is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Agreement. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. there's always a round in the chamberBG's don't usually give you a timeout to rack one in +1 Besides everyone knows the cool racking sound scares off any bad guys : ), Yes. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. This is the inherit design of a sticker fired pistol. Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. Not exactly. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. That was a few years ago now. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. The S&W EZ has a grip safety and a good trigger pull. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . The hammer connects with a firing pin thats integrated into the frame, which strikes the primer. I submit extremely unlikely. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. and self styled know it alls. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. I tease my friends when I can see their chamber indicator, I listened to guys who had been there.. Or even sex. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? The Glock 26 Gen 4 weighs approximately 25 ounces with a loaded magazine. Glocks have a very long trigger pull. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. Perhaps you could write one yourself even. whenever anyone posts on this page: So Move. What you are overlooking is the odds. Weight: 22.9 oz. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. Do you, punk? Want to vent about something? And my Ruger .357. Answer (1 of 30): The main reason to carry, is self defense. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. Its a toughy. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. Belittle all you like, there is only one gun in my house which I will not keep around fully loaded, and that is my one Glock. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. Agreed. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? Now try looking up punctuation. sanctimonious what iffers Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). 2. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! And I do not carry them ever. 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. I carry with one in the chamber but you choose not to. You should always carry with a round chambered. . He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Unlikely. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. Prices accurate at time of writing. Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle I wouldnt worry about it. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. Big Bill: Yup. Not a hard and fast rule. A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. This subject is DOA just like the OP. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. While carrying or holstering? Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. @ mark s: +1 here. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Lol. My opinion. When the time comes that you actually need your carry weapon things are going to happen really fast. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. 1; 2; Next. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. I may not have the time to chamber a round if a BG is close enough. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. I have a CCW and am carrying the Glock in a Galco Stow-n-Go IWB holster. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. Your local police do exactly that. I think I can answer that one. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. This is a particularly great idea. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. Not much difference really. As for me on striker fired Im sure they are just as safe as any other design I just like to see whats going on, . (just like some people freakout about a cocked and locked 1911) Rest assured the gun will not go off and shoot you in the ass. As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. For instance, you have Rugers Blackhawk and Vaquero models, Heritage Manufacturings Rough Rider series, replicas made by Pietta, Uberti and Cimarron and so on. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. YouTube it. Victoria: Have you ever failed to yield the right of way when making a left turn? It should stay the way it is. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. its full screen with proper sound and everything. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. You can also watch plenty of guys who have never once needed their guns in a confrontation, yet shot themselves because they kept one in the chamber. There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? And, it actually impeded officers ability to hit a target. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. Also thank goodness I dont even have to make THAT choice. There are lots of better choices out there than the glock. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. Whats a fleshlight? No wait . There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. Then I chambered a round. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. Confused fool. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. But my Glock has an empty chamber. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. It still works now, so long as the comment page is more than three years old. If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. I used one of those saf-t blocks that can be pushed out of the trigger real easy. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. So that argument is irrelevant. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. One never knows who one is talking to. This is why. None of those things make any difference at all. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. With hammer fired guns, we have more options to prevent guns from accidently firing. Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Try it with any style sidearm. Ho Hum, Well written Haha. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. They didnt know. Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. Or would it it take more movement of the slide to do that before an impact could trigger potential discharge? ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? Let the flaming begin, No flame. Thank you very much. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. Trigger Safety. All terrific replies. But, some want only one item to cover every base. If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. Go get a titanium firing pin. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. Glock 17. I once owned 12 of them. That may be true but it is also irrelevant, since the *actual* cause of the negligent discharge is*negligence. Bet you still get stabbed. In my 3-screw, yes. Height: 5.4. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. I notice that you had to go look it up though. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." We do all make mistakes. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. 2 you may forget to chamber Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? . Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. U.S. The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. So F_____g what? If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. 7. Whats the controversy?